smallblocksn95 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 i started a new thread so there isnt anymore confusion about what im doing. So from the top:i picked up a 351 from a 1996 F350 that was a plow truck, for $250. Judging by the grey paint in the bell housing area, I'm asuming the motor is a reman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I picked up the FRPP 5.8 swap oil pan kitAnd a fox lake ported lower intake from a 1995 Lightning. I currently run a SVO intake on my 5.0, so I will reuse my upper intake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I started tearing down the motor to a short block, and was happy to find it was roller cam equipped and not just roller ready. The cylinders look great, and doesn't look like there is much wear in them. Hopefully when it goes to the machine shop it will just need a hot tank and hone (fingers crossed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I still have to pick a cam and heads package, and pick up some other swap items.This list right now is:New harmonic balancerNew flywheelnew heads and cam the will work well with the intakeNew swap headers (hooker 6133)New water pumpNew oil pumpReman distributorNew larger injectorsModify fuel rail cross over or go to aftermarket railsNew poly motor mounts (stock replacement, I will be using a 95 R hood so no drop mounts for me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64bit_Tuning Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) I still have to pick a cam and heads package, and pick up some other swap items.This list right now is:New harmonic balancerNew flywheelnew heads and cam the will work well with the intakeNew swap headers (hooker 6133)New water pumpNew oil pumpReman distributorNew larger injectorsModify fuel rail cross over or go to aftermarket railsNew poly motor mounts (stock replacement, I will be using a 95 R hood so no drop mounts for me)Don't let your intake stifle your head and cam choice. The typical SVO upper intake is going to be a restriction if you put some decent heads and a healthy cam in there. As for your other parts, I do have some recommendations. 1: If you plan to drag race the car.... EVER, stick with a billet steel flywheel.2: Professional Products makes a nice balancer for short money, just remember to buy for a 28oz imbalance. You will also need an adapter for the front or their balancer. It spaces the pulley out and gives you the correct 4 bolt setup for your pullies.3: You shouldn't need a whole ton of injector. The 95R used 24#ers, you can probably grab some 30#ers for short money and CYA for the increased flow of the new heads you'll be getting.4: Modify your stock rails. It takes mere seconds to do. But make sure you use the right clamps. DO NOT USE WORM GEAR CLAMPS! Use these. http://www.delcity.net/images/photos/210602_primary.jpg They are called Fuel Injection Clamps. they give even pressure around 100% of the contact area.5: Don't forget about a oil pump driveshaft. I dont know if the 302 piece will work. But I do most definitely recommend using an ARP shaft Edited March 25, 2013 by The Mk2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revhead347 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 There are lots of guys drag racing with aluminum flywheels, but I still prefer the steel. I think the aluminum is a lot of money for very little gain on the street and absolutely no gain on the drag strip. I can't second the Pro Products balancer. Paying good money to rebuilt an engine just to throw a Chinese balancer on it just doesn't add up for me. Spend the extra money on a factory replacement or a Pioneer.Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted March 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I was looking at this for the balancer: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-163289/overview/year/1995/make/ford/model/mustangi was going to reuse the oil pump drive shaft, as i read that the ARP piece is not the right length.i figured i was gonna need an injector somewhere between 30 and 39lbs, so i was close it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64bit_Tuning Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 A word of caution... Some balancers will hit the timing cover/water pump. So check it for clearance before cranking the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-Oh Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 A word of caution... Some balancers will hit the timing cover/water pump. So check it for clearance before cranking the engine.This^. I had to modify my timing chain cover for the balancer.Sent from Space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottydsntknow Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I used a PP one when I threw together my 302 on a budget. For all the negative stuff you sometimes hear about Pro Products stuff, that balancer was actually a pretty nice piece and fit the 302 with no mods. YMMV though especially with the 351 cover. Agree about the intake possibly being too small for a 351 based motor depending on your heads/cam combo. Those intakes can really only go out to about 250cfm which is right in the ballpark for unported Twisted Wedge heads. Any more and you're going to lose top end power. Other stuff... really just common sense. Give Woody at fordstrokers.com a call for a rotating assy or head/cam setup or whatever. Ed Curtis at FTI is also great for spec'ing out a combo for the Do It Yourscrelfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted March 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 im re using my 302's cover, the cover that came on the 351 is the same as a fox, which is different than a 94-95 timing cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revhead347 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 I was looking at this for the balancer: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-163289/overview/year/1995/make/ford/model/mustangi was going to reuse the oil pump drive shaft, as i read that the ARP piece is not the right length.i figured i was gonna need an injector somewhere between 30 and 39lbs, so i was close it seemsLooks Chinese to me. The factory replacement is usually about $5 cheaper and isn't made in China. Neither one is SFI approved anyway.Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Talked to the machine shop today... for them to hot tank it, polish the crank, deck the block if needed, check out the rods and pistons, hone the cylinders, new freeze plugs, new cam bearings, and short block it.....im looking at $950 bucks not including parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Talked to the machine shop today... for them to hot tank it, polish the crank, deck the block if needed, check out the rods and pistons, hone the cylinders, new freeze plugs, new cam bearings, and short block it.....im looking at $950 bucks not including partsThat's a great price for all that work.Sent from my secretary!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I thought so too. I got to work on it some more today, pulled the oil pan, oil pump, dizzy, cam, and timing cover. I'm waiting to pull the rotating assembly untill I talk to the machine shop again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottydsntknow Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Make damn sure they check for cracks in the block underneath the cam bearings when the cam bearings are out. The latemodel 351s are known to have issues there but if it hasn't started by now it probably isn't going to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 they are going to give it a full check up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted April 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64bit_Tuning Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Wow, that thing is filthy... It's going to weigh less when you get it back from the machine shop, just from removing all that crud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revhead347 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 That engine looks clean to me. It even still has good cross hatching in the bores. You should see the engine that came into my shop last year.Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revhead347 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 This is what a dirty engine looks like.Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted April 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 I was pretty happy there was no sludge in it. The coolant ports have some crud though....just one of the reason it's getting hot tanked lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom351R Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I approve of a 351W swap Any final choice on the heads/Intake yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I approve of a 351W swap Any final choice on the heads/Intake yet?Intake will be my svo for now. Might sound dumb but I want the intake to be the limiting factor. As far as heads I've been bouncing between 185cc AFR's, and some eddy e-streets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom351R Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Why is it that you want the intake to be the limiting factor? I had the AFR 185's on my old combo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64bit_Tuning Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Why is it that you want the intake to be the limiting factor? I had the AFR 185's on my old comboSpeaking of limiting factors... Venom, we should talk about your tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revhead347 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Intake will be my svo for now. Might sound dumb but I want the intake to be the limiting factor. As far as heads I've been bouncing between 185cc AFR's, and some eddy e-streetsYou might want to do a little google on E-streets before buying.Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Why is it that you want the intake to be the limiting factor? I had the AFR 185's on my old comboMainly because I already have the lower (ported), and when than combo starts to feel slower (say a year or so), its a lot easier to change the intake than to get back into the heads or cam. I know, I'm an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom351R Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Speaking of limiting factors... Venom, we should talk about your tune.Reply in the new thread I made in this section, I'm starting the process now.as far as this situation you can build the car in what ever steps you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 wish i could afford some kaase P-38 heads.....:decision: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted April 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Dropped the motor off at the machine shop this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom351R Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 How much for all the block work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted April 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 950 not including parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted April 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 travis, keith, do you guys think my C&L 76mm mac and CAI will be able to support the windsor? or should i pick something up? If so, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 travis, keith, do you guys think my C&L 76mm mac and CAI will be able to support the windsor? or should i pick something up? If so, what?I have no experience but if you want the most airflow, go with a 90mm lmaf or SCT and a power pipe or home made 4" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted April 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 I have no experience but if you want the most airflow, go with a 90mm lmaf or SCT and a power pipe or home made 4"thanks bryan, ill keep it in mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64bit_Tuning Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 I always recommend the 90mm LMAF for a non-forced induction car. And you can buy all the parts to build your own intake at www.intakehoses.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom351R Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Like Keith said the Lighting meter is very good. Get rid of that C&L they suck. PMAS and PRO-M are also good but the Lighting has the most flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64bit_Tuning Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Let me know when you are ready and I can whip up a chip for you. Make your car grow some big hairy balls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-Oh Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Let me know when you are ready and I can whip up a chip for you. Make your car grow some big hairy balls!Do you work with the Moates chip?Sent from Space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...