frank830 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 What would you suggest is the best Intake manifold, heads, cam, and throttle body size with the size of the MAF sensor and suspensionIm still learning and trying to research before I start buying parts.Any advice will help Its a daily driven car but I want to have more power, not trying to make it crazy fast but maybe around 350rwhp My plan is to hopefully have it done in a year or twoAnd should I put a twin screw super charger?1994 mustang gtManual transmissionUnknown miles.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musturd Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 You could go the easy way with a tfs top end , if it was me it would be my own custom setup ... Afr 165 heads , systemax 2 intake or performer rpm 2 , with a custom grind cam... If money's a little tight I have a bunch of stuff off my car for sale bbk 70mm throttle body , typhoon intake port matched and various other goodies . As far as suspension goes being a daily driver I'd just go with h&r coils with bilsteins and mm c/c plates with there bumpsteer kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted January 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Oh ok What all are you selling ill probably buy some stuff from you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted January 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 And what are the coils for?Do they help out the springs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted January 30, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 And what are the coils for?Do they help out the springs? In this case, I think he meant H&R coil springs... (which I have a set for sale along with Cobra control arms). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 from a budget stand point what i wish i would of done, especially if you want to keep drivability would first mod be gears. then for good power but drivability just get a vortech supercharger it will net you around 310~ whp h&r springs a short throw shifter a good set of lower control arms and wheels of your choice. The main thing when styling your car though keep it original to yourself its your car do what you like and if some people don't like it o well its not their car lol. But that will have you a nasty good street mannered car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted January 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Thank you thats trueAnd how much do you want for the h&r coil springs and the cobra arms?And if I put the vortech supercharger would I have to upgrade anything in the engine? Or would it be more of a volt on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 i agree with @Musturd , if you are just starting to learn your best bet might be the Trick flow top end kits. this takes all the guess work our of making many different parts work together. you will still get the experience from doing the install. however you dont have to worry abou checking PTV(piston to valve) clearences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Can you really tell the difference in power with the trickflow top end kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 if you buy the entire kit from AM or late model or any other performance site it should include the fuel pump injectors mass air new chip and others supporting items to run the supercharger and the base pullies run at a low enough boost to be safe on a stock engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musturd Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Maf and fuel pump and injectors are extra and don't come with the kit . You will definitely notice the tfs top end your car will go from slow as malasus to a fun ass easily low 12 second street car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yea your right they sell those parts as a kit separate to the supercharger. But if you are mechanically enclined and have basic knowledge of the sbf, the trickflow kit is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 if your goal is 350whp i'd forget the head/cam/intake swap and just go straight to boost. You'll make more power and probably enjoy it more also. you could go with a twin screw but if the most whp is your goal it's not the best choice. as for making it look better, i'd start with getting the hood painted/get a new hood and paint it, doing some wheels and lowering the car. that will make an enormous difference. Also i'd go down to one side emblem, probably keep the 5.0 one but move it up into the stock location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Would if be safe to put a twin screw supercharger though?If the engine is stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Would if be safe to put a twin screw supercharger though?If the engine is stock absolutely assuming the engine is in good condition and you get it tuned. I have a Kenne Bell at 9psi on my stock bottom end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Oh wow About how much did you spent to get it on?and how much of a difference did you notice after you got it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 The difference a blower makes is huge, it'll put a smile on your face every time. With your 4.10 gears you may have a serious issue with traction. I bought my blower used on eBay, it was around $2,000. then you'll need injectors ($200), fuel pump ($100), an upper radiator house, a new belt, maybe a few vacuum hoses, probably a MAF and a tune. You may also have to relocate the fuel pressure regulator. Install wasn't as easy as it would seam but I was able to manage with a lot of patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Oh wow Is there any specific blower model I should look for? Or are all the kenne bell the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 And were can I find one?Because everywhere I go they say for like 4.6L mustangs...Do they also make them for the 1994? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 well if you want a twin screw I believe Kenne Bell is the only option for our year, you'll want the 94/95 5.0 specific supercharger or it won't bolt up. Kennebell.net has them new (pricey) or you can find them on eBay or craigslist to save a few bucks. If you buy a new one they only make a 2.1 size now, but if you check other places you could find a 1.5, 2.1 or 2.2 liter blower sizes. If you're only planning on low boost the 1.5 could very well be enough for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Oh ok thank you I called up a performance shop were they specialize in mustangs and I might just try to rebuilt the engine and put forged pistons and the good stuff, ill probably go by tomorrow to plan it out and if you want ill let you kmow what they tell me and see what you think? After that ill probably put the kenne bell Thats my plan for now because I domt kmow how many miles the engine has or what condition the imternals are, the guy that had it before me didnt take good care of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yeah you can share what they say. I'm pretty sure forged internals are somewhat a waste in stock 5.0 blocks, forged pistons may help with nitrous but otherwise usually the block lets go before the stock bottom end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member fiveohwblow Posted January 31, 2014 Supporting Member Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yeah you can share what they say. I'm pretty sure forged internals are somewhat a waste in stock 5.0 blocks, forged pistons may help with nitrous but otherwise usually the block lets go before the stock bottom end.Agreed. Consensus is the 500 horse number on stock blocks. That said, the crank even though cast is good for 600+ and the forged pistons are good for that much at least. Though mid 1992-1995 were not the forged variant so I would be careful. One of my builds exploded one at 463 rwhp with a centri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yea 94-95 had the junk hypereutectic pistons, hypereutectic aluminum is a bit better than cast aluminum because it has a higher silicon content (which reduces the amount the piston will expand once it reaches operating temp so they can have tighter tolerances and better emissions), but is still nowhere near as strong as a forged piston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Oh ok and what kind of block would be the best to go with? So I can look into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Dart block or an r302 block are the best. But be prepared to pay ~2000 on an unprepped block if you buy it new. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musturd Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Don't get the shp if you go dart they have numerous different blocks made of different materials .... Iron eagle is a lot better and is the route I went Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Ok so I went to the shop and told them I will be using the car on the streets, they gave me a list of thingsCtm 331 stroker motor short block $3,400AFR 185 cylinder heads $1,895Scorpion 1.6 roller rockers $299Trick Flow track Heat Intake kit $549Ford Motorsport timing chain kit $89Trick Flow stage 3 camshaft $249Roller lifter set $199Fel pro performance gaskets complete $275Trick flow valve cover set $149Bbk long tube headers $369Bbk x pipe $189Comp cams hardened push rods $59Boss 302 high pressure oil pump $89Arp oil pump drive rod $24Arp head stud kit $149R5671a-7 spark plug $6Shop labor $2,975And I will replace the block aswellThen later on replace the transmission and supercharge it What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 mingya that's a lot of cheddar. I'll tell you one thing it makes me really appreciate being able to do the work myself. honestly that seems like a ripoff. that's wayyyy too much money for parts/labor for that work for a daily driver 350whp goal. what you need is to spend a couple grand on a vortech kit and be done with it. will give you a great power boost and be a fraction of the price of all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm going to have to agree with @OnyxCobra on this one. Spend half of that on a blower, put it on yourself, get it tuned, and have a practical car that is putting down 300-350 without the unpracticability of daily driving a HCI mustang lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Lol the only thing that conserns me is that I dont know how worn out the internals are... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 And I want to shoot for 500 rwhp if possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95opal Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 That parts list isn't bad but the prices are high.!. If you plan on a stroked and blown combo don't waist your money on that block. Dart, A4 or R block with stroker kit of choice2. Forged internals in a stock block is also a complete waist. Your hyper pistons will be fine if you avoid detonation ..that's what kills them.3. I also wouldn't throw money at a KB with a 5 liter as one they are butt ugly and two you wont need the added torque they deliver down low and three for a dd street car they are heat monsters.4. The TFS top end kit with your 410s would make for a fun car5. If you go blown your gonna want to get rid of the 410s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVRL8TE Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Best possible off the shelf combo, for stock bottom ends. -Trick flow 170cc/or if you have more money, Fast as Cast 190's-Anderson Ford N41 cam. -Holley Systemax intake manifold. -Walbro 255 fuel pump -30 lb injectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Which one is the kb?And NVRL8TE if I do that about how many rwgp would I be looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 And what do you mean as long as I avoid detonation? Sorry im still learning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 The main reason why I want to rebuild the engine and put new pistons etc..Is because I dont know how many miles the engine has and I dont kmow how long it will last, the guy before me didnt take of it, ive had to replace a bunch of parts for example water pump, radiator, thermostat housing, door panels were in bad shape i replaced them and things like that. I want to forged the internals so that I can play with it and not worry about it braking down.The 331 stroker, a stronger block so the stock one wont crack and other goods to have more power and be strong enough to also supercharge it in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member fiveohwblow Posted February 3, 2014 Supporting Member Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I dont know why no one has suggested it yet, but you can get a REALLY good glimpse into the life of the engine by taking it to a mechanic (given your limited knowledge) and getting a leak down and compression test. If it is within specs you are golden. Go to your mechanic, pay him $100 to run those tests for you and if your engine is healthy, grab the blower and enjoy. Also, I am very unfamiliar with dependability problems with a H/C/I 5.0 but admittedly my experience is mainly with foxes. Can anyone enlighten me as to what issues there are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I dont know why no one has suggested it yet, but you can get a REALLY good glimpse into the life of the engine by taking it to a mechanic (given your limited knowledge) and getting a leak down and compression test. If it is within specs you are golden. Go to your mechanic, pay him $100 to run those tests for you and if your engine is healthy, grab the blower and enjoy. Also, I am very unfamiliar with dependability problems with a H/C/I 5.0 but admittedly my experience is mainly with foxes. Can anyone enlighten me as to what issues there are?Fuck that. Rent the tool from auto zone and do it yourself. Good learning experience lol Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Lol ok so what if the engine is great? What do you recommend I do to it?It will be for the street but I will also have fun with it burnout and things like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
