frank830 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 I wanted the e303 cam, because I love the way it sounds and they will replace most of the gasketsBut im having second thoughts because it will be $1,500. $800 of that is just the damn laborAny ideas on what to upgrade with that money?I want it to be worth every penny.Its daily driver carUnknowm milesManual transmissionI will have a compression test to see the engines health before anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 1.7 rockers ignition tune up (cap rotor wires plugs and coil) good full exhaust Cai and mass air u/d pulleis aluminum radiator gears short throw shifter and a tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 lower it, rear end gears, wheels and tires. Will completely change the attitude of your car and all of them will be noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 1.7 rockers ignition tune up (cap rotor wires plugs and coil) good full exhaust Cai and mass air u/d pulleis aluminum radiator gears short throw shifter and a tune.lower it, rear end gears, wheels and tires. Will completely change the attitude of your car and all of them will be noticeable.I'd skip the rockers. Seems like its a little too far out of your grasp to do it yourself right now. Definitely the tune up stuff, throw fuel filter in there too. Cat back exhaust or header back depending in if you have emissions. Skip the radiator and under drives, mgw short throw and some 3.73 gears. That will get you to a reliable and still fun ride. If you have more cash I'd do wheels and tires first then lower it after.Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Oh ok Thank youBut ive already replacedThe cap and rotor, msd ignition coilHave accel spark plugs-not put in yetReplaced fuel filterHas 4.10 gears, cold air intakeShort summit racing headersAnd flowmastersAnd short shifter alreadyHas about 6 month old radiator, water pump, thermostat housing, thermostat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted February 14, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Then lower it and throw some wheels on it! Might just know a guy looking to unload some springs and control arms... get you lower, better turning radius, and tighter handling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 What do you mean?You know someone selling some springs and arms?If so how much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95opal Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Judging from your sig the next bottleneck to get rid of without getting crazy would be your stock h-pipe. Doesn't coast a bunch, can be installed without help and will give you a decent jump in performance and sound. Like also stated springs and shocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Well right now the way its set up isShort summit racing headersCatsStraight pipes then dumped flowmasters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted February 14, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 What do you mean?You know someone selling some springs and arms?If so how much? Yeah, me lol. PM me if you're interested. I could possibly be talked into parting with my Bilstein rear shocks too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Yea and if y'all can't work out a deal on his bilsteins, I have all 4 kyb agx shocks that's will be perfect for your car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 then definitely lower it and do wheels and tires. that will suck up that tax refund real quick! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 How much does it cost to lower it though?When I have people in the back or a passenger and I accelerate fast the back hits idk what I ddont kmow if its the shocks or struts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 I'd do the MGW short throw shifter and lower it. Next thing I'd do after I saved up again would be a new hood/paint for it and new wheels/tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottydsntknow Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 For $1200? Don't touch the stock HCI, get on the classifieds here and other forums and pick up: -Lowering springs/shocks-CC plates-Lower control arms-Good OR pipe-Wheels/tires I'd say a A9L swap but that's complicated now that the PIH harnesses are no longer available and you have to re-pin. That is, to this day, far and away the biggest SOTP feeling mod I've ever done to a stock motor'd vehicle minus a power adder. Also, that is assuming you do all the work yourself, if you need to pay labor to get this sort of stuff done figure on being able to buy half or less than what you would if you DIY. As far as the E-cam, with stock heads you will gain nothing not to mention you need to get a tune afterwards. All the E cam will do is move the power band around on stock heads and that's a best case scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottydsntknow Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Putting any cam in place of the stock one with stock GT heads/intake is a waste of time and money. You get sound, and you might lose power not to mention you'll need a dyno tune for the ECU. At best you'll just move the powerband around once all is said and done. Spend your money on mods that will actually make a performance difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Also a few cheap mods would be (if emissions don't apply) remove the smog pump (more hp from loss of parasitic drag) and if the timings at base 10* advance it two 14* and run 89 or 91 gas and you will get a good sotp feel from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Can I use the stock valve springs?And put the lifter set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottydsntknow Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Well, if you want to throw your money away for 0 gain go for it... you will need new springs, you can re-use stock lifters. You will need new pushrods and will have to measure for correct pushrod length before you order. You will also need a dyno tune which usually runs $400-$600 depending on where you live. And, as I said, you will gain little or no power, you might lose power. This is why I say to not change out the stock cam lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 LolThis is so hard,so many optionsCant make my mind up.$1,300 is a lot of money I want to buy the right part and be able to enjoy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forcefedhatch Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I have the comp cams xe264hr-14, comps dual springs with retainers, gt40p heads, gt40 intake, built AODE, 3.73's, carbon fiber clutched track loc.. and its stupid torquey.. no tune.. 114*lobe separation is nice.. has a descent lope, and even with a stock converter and no tune I've had no major issues.. I'm now swapping my whole drive train and efi setup into my 99 sixxer.. but Def need a spring upgrade on anything over the stock sub .450"ish lift cam.. it's not mainly the coil bind and lift rate that's the issue. It's the aggressive cam lobe peak and drop values.. hits peak lobe and drops so quick at 4500+ rpm it's hard not to have valve float on your mind.. or you can look up the alex's springs upgrade.. 100.00 and works with .533" lift and aggressive lobe rates. . My cam is .512" with a 1.6 ration rocker.. so I opted for the matching spring upgrade.. Also the trick flow beehives are said to be a good upgrade.. Galaxy S4 Active Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member fiveohwblow Posted February 15, 2014 Supporting Member Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I have the comp cams xe264hr-14, comps dual springs with retainers, gt40p heads, gt40 intake, built AODE, 3.73's, carbon fiber clutched track loc.. and its stupid torquey.. no tune.. 114*lobe separation is nice.. has a descent lope, and even with a stock converter and no tune I've had no major issues.. I'm now swapping my whole drive train and efi setup into my 99 sixxer.. but Def need a spring upgrade on anything over the stock sub .450"ish lift cam.. it's not mainly the coil bind and lift rate that's the issue. It's the aggressive cam lobe peak and drop values.. hits peak lobe and drops so quick at 4500+ rpm it's hard not to have valve float on your mind.. or you can look up the alex's springs upgrade.. 100.00 and works with .533" lift and aggressive lobe rates. . My cam is .512" with a 1.6 ration rocker.. so I opted for the matching spring upgrade.. Also the trick flow beehives are said to be a good upgrade.. Galaxy S4 ActiveThis Alex spring upgrade... Here or on another site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forcefedhatch Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Another site.. gt40p and E7 drop ins with retainers an 10* locks.. great deal..http://www.alexsparts.com/sb-ford-gt40p-e7-drop-in-valve-spring-kit-hyd-roller/Galaxy S4 Active Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member fiveohwblow Posted February 15, 2014 Supporting Member Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Another site.. gt40p and E7 drop ins with retainers an 10* locks.. great deal..http://www.alexsparts.com/sb-ford-gt40p-e7-drop-in-valve-spring-kit-hyd-roller/Galaxy S4 ActiveI'm going to use this! Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forcefedhatch Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 YwGalaxy S4 Active Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Im just going to save the cam for later when I have more money to put heads and intake tooFor now I want to buy some shocks and springs because when I have people in the back the car scrapes with any little bump :/And im not sure what else yet, ill decide after I get the compression test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Oh ok what would you say is the difference between the Mac exhaust and the magnaflow magnapack?i have the magna pack on my 95, IMO i think it sounds great. It can be loud at times, but mainly when your in it hard obviously. Mine does not drone much, and it has a very crisp sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I want my mustang to sound like a muscle car with like a rumble The current mods are listed in my signatureShort summit racing headersCatsStraight pipesThen dumped flowmaster mufflers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joekd Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 One simple thing will give you the idle noise you want, a cam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Its like we told you, if you want it for just the sound your going to waste money by putting a cam in it. Throw an off road h-pipe or x-pipe on it and a straight through muffler to make it louder. Because if you aren't very mechanically inclined, putting a cam in isn't a weekend job.Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Yea I know :/Im headed away from the cam but I dont know if there's other things that can make it sound differentOther than exhaust...Another questionIs the catback a lot different than just replacing the muffler Nd putting a o/r h pipe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 No, a cat back exhaust is just the mufflers and the pipes that exit to the tailpipes. Doing header back includes the mid pipe which has the cats on it from factorySent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
330CubeGt Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 < This frank do cams swaps in a few hours...Den car go wobba wobba wobba.Go carbed with fat jets so you get that rich unburned fuel smell through the exhaust like them old cars do.Half the old cars I see at shows have the american thunder 40 series flowmasters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
330CubeGt Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I think Alphabet cams are a thing of the past. Its 2014, they're are much better cam options out there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 < This frank do cams swaps in a few hours...Den car go wobba wobba wobba.Go carbed with fat jets so you get that rich unburned fuel smell through the exhaust like them old cars do.Half the old cars I see at shows have the american thunder 40 series flowmasters...Lol shut itttttSent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-Oh Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Half the old cars I see at shows have the american thunder 40 series flowmasters...Lol like this?! Trying to find a used pair of Borla mufflers to stick on his car, think it would sound sick.Sent from Space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3vst8r96gt Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Exhaust and cam (cms stage 2 n/a is nasty)Or exhaust turn on ur ac and disconnect you MAF sensor lolThe D3V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildWillyWalker Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I don't know if straight pipes would do it. I always think h-pipe and a good pair of mufflers. Heck, I want to get an h-pipe for my car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottydsntknow Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I think Alphabet cams are a thing of the past. Its 2014, they're are much better cam options out there now. There are but that doesn't change the fact that you can still get some really good results. GT40s/b cam/explorer intake is still one of the best bang for the buck combos out there and you can do it in the car for under $1k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihaterice Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I don't know if straight pipes would do it. I always think h-pipe and a good pair of mufflers. Heck, I want to get an h-pipe for my car.Exactly. I am going with a catted MRT H pipe to go with my SS MAC cat back as my next project, hopfully before mustang week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
