jgib4 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 http://www.amazon.com/APSX-D2-Digital-Wideband-Controller/dp/B00NBFHRZM Talked with joe about a new tune for my car and gonna have to use a wideband this time around. Anyone heard anything about these? And does it really matter which brand you use. I feel like they are all pretty much the same and your paying for the name. School me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I can't say I've heard of that one before. The AEM wideband setup isn't much more (~$20 more) and has a good track record so if be going that route if it was me. The quality of the wideband sensor and the accuracy of the gauge are things that could change from one brand to the next. They might be essentially the same, or they might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgib4 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Hmm i thought they were around 200. 20s not much probably would be better off just getting one for that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 $150.70 from Lightning Motorsports http://lightningmotorsports.com/i-1985199.aspx?gclid=Cj0KEQiAuremBRCbtr-1qJnKi-4BEiQAh0x08JqdhZZ6KEAVK776O3-Ibs-oHFzCkLqmw7720_vmWIkaAoW28P8HAQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 why not go the AEM route? From the remote tuners i've talked to, most of them recommended using the AEM anyways. I bought mine for $164 a month or so back, but now its at $153 with prime if you have it.http://www.amazon.com/AEM-30-4110-UEGO-Ratio-Gauge/dp/B00N3VGPYS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422885687&sr=8-1&keywords=AEM+wideband Im not sure about the APSX one, but the AEM wideband comes with a Bosch wideband sensor. Not sure why APSX keeps saying "Easier to install!!", the AEM doesn't require any splicing or anything, except hooking up power and ground. The rest of it uses a NICE connector to the sensor, and some nice connectors up to the gauge itself. Probably the same thing as APSX. I havnt drove with mine yet, but so far i like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 i concur on the aem and it has the option to data logSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgib4 Posted February 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I like that gauge pod you have, looks pretty stock. I now have guy on another forum selling me his autometer for cheap along with the firewire cable joe needs for tuning. But i did find a few reviews on this piece and they were very good for anyone needing a cheap wideband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 if im not mistaken( im sure @Det_Riot will correct me) the only company that actually manufactures wide band O2 sensors is Bosch. so while some company's/manufactures may have different connectors the physical sensor is the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Hmm @Sleeperstang1994 I suppose you're right...I guess that never occurred to me. Anyway I ran across this shootout of widebands, an interesting read (although the prices listed for the kits in the one chart are pretty high...) http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CHIQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.2gnt.com%2Fdocuments%2Fteklein_Wideband_Shootout.pdf&ei=9q3QVNq_AczisATykYKQBQ&usg=AFQjCNG-hHlcjUUq0KWhksoFRfdQT-QYwA&sig2=FnSR4oeEByrlAPyXYD7_uA&bvm=bv.85076809,d.cWc&cad=rja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 im not saying the quality of the gauge will not impact the readings. just that the information the sensor gives will be the same. im sure the reading you get from a Defi wide band is far more accurate than say one from some one like Prosport or glowshift ( if they even make a wideband) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 from the article, it sounds like the readings will be the same, but the amount of data transmitted in say a 10 second segment will vary between the gauges? Did i read that right? So the Innovate reads very quickly and delivers more info per second, and the NGK is way slower with less info deliverd. Looks like the readings delivered from the gauge can be way off too, the PLX and NGK have a tolerance of +/-1.00 AFR. thats HUGE compared to the Innovate and AEM which is +/- .10 So what im gathering, is that the sensor itself is probably the same, but the gauge may not be able to compute the information and process it fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 from the article, it sounds like the readings will be the same, but the amount of data transmitted in say a 10 second segment will vary between the gauges? Did i read that right? So the Innovate reads very quickly and delivers more info per second, and the NGK is way slower with less info deliverd. Looks like the readings delivered from the gauge can be way off too, the PLX and NGK have a tolerance of +/-1.00 AFR. thats HUGE compared to the Innovate and AEM which is +/- .10 So what im gathering, is that the sensor itself is probably the same, but the gauge may not be able to compute the information and process it fast enough. Yea that's the gist I got from it. I guess it boils down to budget and need. Some people really need the high level of precision, like in a mega boost application where that difference in AFR reading can spell disaster, whereas someone with a mild build might not be able to justify the added expense. It was cool to see a literal head to head test of them all, I was glad to see the AEM did well since I have one lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 And I believe the arm and innovate read lamda witch is more accurate to tune with than afr Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgib4 Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Hmm @Sleeperstang1994 I suppose you're right...I guess that never occurred to me. Anyway I ran across this shootout of widebands, an interesting read (although the prices listed for the kits in the one chart are pretty high...) http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CHIQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.2gnt.com%2Fdocuments%2Fteklein_Wideband_Shootout.pdf&ei=9q3QVNq_AczisATykYKQBQ&usg=AFQjCNG-hHlcjUUq0KWhksoFRfdQT-QYwA&sig2=FnSR4oeEByrlAPyXYD7_uA&bvm=bv.85076809,d.cWc&cad=rja wow good find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobraracer46 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If you have some deep pockets, you can go with a ECM meter. The engineers at Ford used two ECM Lambda pro A/F monitors on a SN95 V10 mustang that run over $3500 each!http://powertrain.net/product_pages/lambda_page.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgib4 Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 that and the words budget build don't seem to go together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineedav8 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Im running a zextronixs wideband soon to be 2 for bank to bank tuning very nice piece and super thin around half an inch thick if that Sent from the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineedav8 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 http://www.zeitronix.com/order/order.htm Sent from the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttocs Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 https://www.plxdevices.com/product_info.php?id=WDBDSMAFR_DM6G4 I have been happy with my plx gauges and you also have the option of adding other sensor modules to read off of the one gauge and alert you if it goes over/under the limit you set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Im running a zextronixs wideband soon to be 2 for bank to bank tuning very nice piece and super thin around half an inch thick if that Sent from the futurehttp://www.zeitronix.com/order/order.htm Sent from the futureDid you get the 2 or 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64bit_Tuning Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 When it comes to something as crucial as fuel metering... Cheaping out is never something I'd do. Ive used Zeitronix, Innovate, AEM and PLX. Ive had great success with AEM, but i'll probably never run anything other than Innovate again. My biggest quam with the AEM was the lack of free air calibration. I noticed that after about 6 months of use, my AEM sensors began to skew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximumRisk Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 When it comes to something as crucial as fuel metering... Cheaping out is never something I'd do. Ive used Zeitronix, Innovate, AEM and PLX. Ive had great success with AEM, but i'll probably never run anything other than Innovate again. My biggest quam with the AEM was the lack of free air calibration. I noticed that after about 6 months of use, my AEM sensors began to skew. another vote for Innovate! It is very accurate (compared to my tuner's dyno AFR readings). Like mentioned by @The Mk2 the free air calibration is a very nice feature. The gauge is very slim which was a plus for me. The downside is cost and that it is a little more difficult to install than others I have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineedav8 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Did you get the 2 or 3?I believe the zr3 wideband or something like that. Sent from the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 When it comes to something as crucial as fuel metering... Cheaping out is never something I'd do.Ive used Zeitronix, Innovate, AEM and PLX. Ive had great success with AEM, but i'll probably never run anything other than Innovate again.My biggest quam with the AEM was the lack of free air calibration. I noticed that after about 6 months of use, my AEM sensors began to skew.. I'm curious about this "free air calibration" how does it work? What does it do??Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximumRisk Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 . I'm curious about this "free air calibration" how does it work? What does it do??Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/resources/whycalibrate.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Good info that makes a lot of sense, dang kinda wish I got the innovate now haha[emoji30]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member seijirou Posted August 22, 2018 Supporting Member Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) I know I'm late to the party but by my experience Innovate is junk (they generate a ton of radio noise and the output is erratic at best). The best bang for the buck I've found is Spartan. They're not as expensive because as the name implies, they are no frills. The controller is bundled in the cabling, gauges and whatnot you need to get separately. I run megasquirt so I just use it's dashboard if I need to see what the output is. https://www.14point7.com/products/spartan-lambda-controller-2 Edited August 22, 2018 by seijirou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
