SN95_Justin Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 i've been working at this project for a little while now, and even though it's nearing completion, i'm still throwing up a project thread. why? because projects are never "finished"! like the title says, 351W in a sn95. The lucky girl.. why did i choose to build a 351W over the 302 i already have? well.. reliability.. and as the old saying goes, there's no replacement for displacement.. since later on i plan to go with a D.S.S 408 stroker kit and some form of forced induction.. that i'm still deciding on. do i want the efficiency of a turbo or the parasitic loss of a supercharger? but that's later on. lets cut to the chase.. Engine-stock bottom end -trickflow twisted wedge 190cc heads with 1.6 roller rockers-X303 cam-BBK ceramic coated long tube headers-Edelbrock victor efi upper and lower intake-bbk cold air intake-30lb injectors-MSD billet distributor-Moroso 11mm plug wires (got a heck of a deal on these)-C&L 76mm mass air flow-solid engine mounts-Steeda UD pulleys-Offroad x-pipe with mac 2 chamber and axle dumps-150 shot go-go juice i did run into a problem on figuring out how i'm hooking up the throttle cable.. then i was browsing 50resto and found the trickflow egr delete spacer with the throttle cable mounting provisions. was a nobrainer and i didn't have to do any trial and error.. for lack of better words.. redneck engineering.. Suspension-lowering springs-tubular LCA's-Steeda adjustable UCA's-MM C/C plates Drivetrain-Tremec 3550-aluminum driveshaft-FR billet flywheel-3.73 rear I know i'm forgetting some things, but this is a general rundown of what's done to the car.. lets not forget some pictures.. every thread is useless without those! I'm not using this timing cover either. i'm using the pre-93' timing cover to be able to use the accessory bracket for the 351W swap. I know the injectors pictured are 24lb's.. i used them for mockup while I was doing the longer rail cross overs and waiting for the red 30's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Clean ride man!! Do since it's never done, what's the future plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Going to throw a big single turbo at it. Haven't decided if I want to stroke it out when I go all forged internals or not. Might as well lol. Lots of suspension upgrades from maximum motorsports, stifflers and/or team-z. I'm currently building a MS2 v3.0 ECU and going to do a few mods to be able to do boost control and what not. Currently thinking of switching to the powder coated blue FRPP valve covers since I've having clearance issues with the sheetmetal VC'S and my brake booster.sent from the taco shack via tap then talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-Oh Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I approve of this! Nicely done. Just curious as to why you're running the pre '93 timing cover and acc brackets when your sn95 cover and brackets will work just fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Thanks man! Well. These are old pictures. I have fox stuff laying around and was going that route to begin with. But I have switched back to SN front accessories. sent from the taco shack via tap then talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Looks good so far. I do like seeing a good healthy push rod motor. Looks like your doing it right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Thanks! I did originally plan to go with BBK ceramic coated longtubes. Got them and put them on and then took them off and ordered a set of BBK ceramic shorties. sent from the taco shack via tap then talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Very nice! Looking forward to more updates, and post some detail about the ECU as you work through it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-Oh Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Thanks! I did originally plan to go with BBK ceramic coated longtubes. Got them and put them on and then took them off and ordered a set of BBK ceramic shorties. sent from the taco shack via tap then talkLol i literally did the same thing... After I had sent back two different sets of BBK longtubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 I ran hooker shorties on mine, what bbk shorties are you running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Will do. I've only got the power source installed on the board. I need to buy a Jimstim and a testing cable and I should be on my way to finishing it. Very time consuming and patience demanding lol.For headers, I'm just running the ceramic 351w swap headers 50resto carries. They fit well and are easy to maneuver in and out of the car when removing the engine while they're still attached.. unlike the long tubes lolsent from the taco shack via tap then talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 So there were a few changes made tonight. Maximum Motorsports solid steering rack bushings were installed to lower the steering rack and it also needed new bushings. Some guy installed offset bushing to where it pushed the rack upwards.. don't know why.. but this achieved the clearance I wanted for the pan to rack clearance.Also installed the FRPP blue valve covers. Achieved the cover to brake booster clearance I wanted. Of course, a progress report wouldn't be completed without a picture.. so..sent from the taco shack via tap then talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I wanted to run those covers but was concerned about the pcv system, looks good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVRL8TE Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 351 swaps rock. Hard. You should never really be doing an 8.2 block, unless it's a dart block. Or you're going to keep a 5.0 stone stock, and boost it. I love your car, and this project will be a solid success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 We'll see how well the supplied breather works. Also ran into a problem with the trottle cable. Since I'm not running a EGR spacer, I bought the trick flow adapter that goes between the TB and the plenum. Well.. it hits the fuel pressure regulator and the coolant rails. So, my choice to fix this is cut off the cruise control extension ( don't know why I didn't already do this..) and get a action of "C" channel stock and make my own adapter to make the mounting where I need it. Hopefully it won't mess with how my throttle operates.. sent from the taco shack via tap then talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'm running the trick flow plate with the fox throttle bracket with no clearance problems, if you want I can take a picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'm running the trick flow plate with the fox throttle bracket with no clearance problems, if you want I can take a picture?Please do.. would like to see how everything is fitting for you. my issue is the tall valve covers and the pressure regulator. Coolant rails are movable on my setup. I also ready thay edelbrock had a supplied throttle bracket that would be used in place of the stock bracket. Of course, I can find one for sale online or on their website. sent from the taco shack via tap then talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64bit_Tuning Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Get shorter covers... problem solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prokiller Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 what about an intake spacer? that's what i used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Made a special order with edelbrock for the throttle cable bracket that supposed to go with this intake. Maybe it'll fix it, maybe not. $20 for the bracket is worth the gamble to me. As for the spacer, I already have the spacer for this intake installed. sent from the taco shack via tap then talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 justin i did take that picture you wanted I've just been to busy to get it off my phone, if you still want to see it i can get it on here now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 @smallblocksn95 yes, please do.. still waiting for my edelbrock bracket to come in.. Also, picked up some cool stuff tonight.. Got a sweet deal on these awesome condition seats. Look like they were never even sat in. Now, to find similar condition front seats or just go with corbeaus.. hmm.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Is that a 3 screw regulator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 No I was on the car when I bought it, and I switched it to the 351. I think it's a kurban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgib4 Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 How much power are you expecting from this set up? My dad has a 351c block sitting around i had thought about building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 @smallblocksn95 I meant is the bolt pattern to the fuel rail 2 or 3 bolts? That could mean a lot since mine is a 2 bolt. I'm pretty sure the 3 has a smaller footprint than the 2. @jgib4 I'm not sure about the aftermarket for a Cleveland. Never have done my homework on them really other than the Windsor has larger journals. As far as power expectancy, anywhere between 350 and 400 rwhp all motor with a good tune. This will also have a 150 shot thrown at it as well. So somewhere around 500 with juice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgib4 Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 I know cleaveland heads are better but i was under the impression most of the parts between c and w were interchangeable, could be wrong though. Thats pretty respectable numbers though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Justin I'll check tonight on how many bolts when I get home. As far as power goes you should be close to what you want, mine made 352hp and 370tq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 @smallblocksn95 nevermind. I see that it's a 2 bolt. You're also running what looks to be a trick flow upper. Which pushes the TB mounting out further. With the edelbrock victor efi intake, it relocated the mounting surface to what I believe to be towards the centerline of the engine. Thus, leads my to my problem. I did do some redneck engineering and cut some aluminum stock and made a temporary bracket until my edelbrock bracket gets here. We'll see how everything works out.Also, is that the stock coolant rail? I couldn't run a stock fox rail with this edelbrock lower. It hit the number 1 injector.What dyno did you run on to get those numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Stock 94/95 coolant rails, and it was dynojet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted February 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Hmm. May have to go to my other garage and grab the extra set I have and see if those work better. @jgib4 here's a good link to take a look at. Very informative on what SBF engines have what interchangeable parts.http://diyford.com/rotating-assembly-interchange-small-block-ford-engines/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted March 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Finally got my bracket I had to special order from edelbrock Brock today. Also got back some parts I needed fabricated. Didn't really do much to the car but fingers crossed for it to be on the road this weekend! Just in time for fire school! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted March 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 It's almost time to start up. Need to find a belt that's long enough, hook up a few hoses, wires, add fluids and odds and ends. Fabricated a boss and drilled and tapped for a new location for the alternator to raise it up about an inch. Had interference with the valve cover. Also installed the MM solid steering rack bushings a while back.Also thinking about relocating the battery to the trunk since it's about an inch from my AC compressor now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblocksn95 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 I just notched my battery tray lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted March 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 Put the belt on and it's damn close to the battery lol. Definitely relocating later on. Main focus is getting it running! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Got a little bit done today.. or should I say alot? Car is totally back together minus radiator hoses and coolant. Didn't start up due to my neighbor having a 9 month old and lots of guns. Posts are worthless without pictures.. so here ya go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-Oh Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Did you get you coolant lines to fit? The Victor lower has the coolant temp sensor/heater line towards the centerline of the engine so the factory hardlines will hit your injectors. Looks like you already got it squared away though. Everything looks great! Looks oddly familiar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN95_Justin Posted March 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Did you get you coolant lines to fit? The Victor lower has the coolant temp sensor/heater line towards the centerline of the engine so the factory hardlines will hit your injectors. Looks like you already got it squared away though. Everything looks great! Looks oddly familiar I did. Cut the hardlines separate from eachother. But I also figured that out about the victor lower. Still waffling between the way I'm running it now or going with the nylon braided lines. Are you on SEFB as well? Or?Car still isn't running. Haven't messed with it much this week since it's my.first week of fire academy. Which means lots of PT and homework. Messed with it a little tonight after buying a new battery and I can't get it to crank. Timing is TDC on compression, it's getting fuel, it's getting spark. Read somewhere that it should be set to 10bdc for initial startup. Going to try this method tomorrow when I won't wake up the neighbor hood. They don't like muffler less cars.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
410sn95 Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Make sure you are using the correct marks on your balancer. Some have multiple timing marks that can be 180 degrees off and will cause a no crank situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
