smallblocksn95 Posted February 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 it looks like the KB and FIT system uses the same basic SFC as a base. If the FIT proves better than the KB Matrix do you think I could add the rest of the fit system to my standard KB SFC? They look pretty much identical.Asked Brian this when I got my fit system installed. He told me that the remainder of the fit system could be installed on any full length sfc. We asked because Alyssa has maximum motorsports sfc and wants the fit system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musturd Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 The Kenny browns are nice I would have rather used those on my fox then mm. I went hardcore and cut my yellow car up for through floor subframes. I understand why Brian wouldn't want to go that route having a clean lower mileage car, I would go the same route and not starting cutting up my floor either . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slykin Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I'm sure if you have regular SFC's it would be easy to fab up your own triangulated "fit" system, granted I'm not sure it's worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Somebody explain to me, what extending the subframes outward to the pinch weld will benefit stiffness? The purpose is to connect the rear and front subframes together to minimize body flex. Will that extra 8-10" outward welded to the pinch weld really make that much more of a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slykin Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I would venture to say nothing unless your car is flexing sideways... which shouldn't happen unless you're in a wreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) Brian Figg from Stiffler's replied back to my email very promptly saying:"Hello Brian, Thanks for the questions and interest in our FIT system. Most often when asked these questions I refer the customer to an article published in Muscle Mustang & Fast Fords in late 2011, it explains the development of the product more thoroughly than I can in a short email response. Please see the link below and see what sets us apart from all the competition. For questions the article does not cover, here’s your answers:- Our system uses Full Length SFC’s made of 1.5”x2.0” rectangular tubing. Theirs are Standard Length, made of 1.0”x1.5” rect. tube. Note: Stiffness is a result of the size of tubing, a little math reveals that ours is TWICE as stiff as theirs just from the tubing size alone!- Even though our system has more tubing in its design the overall all weight difference is ours is about 3lbs heavier. This is because in the design process we chose the best option for strength-to-weight ratio. This small extra weight gain is more than offset by the fact the car is considerably stiffer. Also, add to that fact the extra few pounds are added at the bottom of the car, thus actually helping to lower the C.G. (center of gravity). http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfp_1109_innovative_performance_technologies_fit_chassis_stiffening_system_the_stiffmeister/ Hope this helps, Brian FiggInnovative Performance Technologies, LLC(Home of Stifflers Products)660 Andico Road, Suite APlainfield, IN 46168317-837-2444317-838-0825 (fax)www.buystifflers.com" Edited February 24, 2013 by Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Brian Figg from Stiffler's replied back to my email very promptly saying:"Hello Brian, Thanks for the questions and interest in our FIT system. Most often when asked these questions I refer the customer to an article published in Muscle Mustang & Fast Fords in late 2011, it explains the development of the product more thoroughly than I can in a short email response. Please see the link below and see what sets us apart from all the competition. For questions the article does not cover, here’s your answers:- Our system uses Full Length SFC’s made of 1.5”x2.0” rectangular tubing. Theirs are Standard Length, made of 1.0”x1.5” rect. tube. Note: Stiffness is a result of the size of tubing, a little math reveals that ours is TWICE as stiff as theirs just from the tubing size alone!- Even though our system has more tubing in its design the overall all weight difference is ours is about 3lbs heavier. This is because in the design process we chose the best option for strength-to-weight ratio. This small extra weight gain is more than offset by the fact the car is considerably stiffer. Also, add to that fact the extra few pounds are added at the bottom of the car, thus actually helping to lower the C.G. (center of gravity). http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfp_1109_innovative_performance_technologies_fit_chassis_stiffening_system_the_stiffmeister/ Hope this helps, Brian FiggInnovative Performance Technologies, LLC(Home of Stifflers Products)660 Andico Road, Suite APlainfield, IN 46168317-837-2444317-838-0825 (fax)www.buystifflers.com"He however didn't answer my question regarding how its any stronger being extended out to the pinch welds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 He however didn't answer my question regarding how its any stronger being extended out to the pinch welds.You asked that question in the thread after I sent the email so that question was never asked to him. I can email him back or you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 You asked that question in the thread after I sent the email so that question was never asked to him. I can email him back or you can Yeah, but I would think people would want to explain why they do it that way, whether it was a specific question or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Sorry he didn't give the answer you are looking for. If you'd like type out exactly what you want me to ask and I'll reply back. That goes for anyone else who has questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Sorry he didn't give the answer you are looking for. If you'd like type out exactly what you want me to ask and I'll reply back. That goes for anyone else who has questions.Negative... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Ok...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRPVinyl Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 He also never answered the question about the lack of proper triangulation> Oh well. I still think if you want the out riggers on your SFC's then we can fab it up ourself.Your car, your callMatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Yeah, that irritated me that he didn't answer it but I guess his answer was "read this article because it explains it better" but I haven't sat down to read it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRPVinyl Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I will try to read it before the dead comes onmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRPVinyl Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I just read the article and it spent more time giving his work history than it really did explaining how or why he made his design like he did.matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 If you'd like I can email him back with whatever questions you have. Just post it and I'll copy/paste them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRPVinyl Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 It is no biggy. they won't be going on my car.matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Oh ok. I will probably be ordering the Stifflers products soon.I'm still waiting for a reply from Hans Racecraft but I'm not sure if I will hear anything since Brett said they might not be in business anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRPVinyl Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Their web page is still active thoughmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Yeah. I used their webiste to send them the email. I am patiently waiting but depending on when/if they get back to me I will most likely go with Stiffler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 They are in business, but I don't believe offer the subframes anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Schiffy Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Wtf!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Well I'll continue to wait and see. I might try calling them tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRPVinyl Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 What do you mean WTF Schiffy? It is a copy and paste staright from the Hans Racecraft Website for the Mustang Sub Frame Connectorsmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Because he fails at surfing the web and finding that info himself lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRPVinyl Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Maybe he should use a computer instead of a Fone. LOLmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I don't need no stinkin' computer! I paid enough for this phone, it may as well be a freaking computer! Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRPVinyl Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I tried to download Tapatalk to my fone but I seem to be too fone illiterate to get it to workMatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I tried to download Tapatalk to my fone but I seem to be too fone illiterate to get it to workMattI'll help you grandpa... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Chris, you should call Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Chris, you should call Hans Why? I've seen what a cheap $104 set from late model resto will do. Why would I wanna spend anymore money than that!? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SniveTroll Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Why not make some. Shawn made mine and theyre still on my car.Sent by smoke signals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Why not make some. Shawn made mine and theyre still on my car.Sent by smoke signalsAnd he was whack! Haha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Because I'm materialistic? Seriously, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Because I'm materialistic? Seriously, I don't know.Hahahaha... You and I differ greatly in the way we look at parts. I look for what works on the cheap end(though I don't go cheap and unproven or unsafe) whereas you seem to want those name brand parts. Neither is the wrong way, just preference. If you would have seen my old fox, you would have shit yourself. Most everything was made by Matt and I, wired by mat, fabricated by one or both of us, painted with rattle cans by me, ect... Give me cheap and proven no name brand parts and I can put the savings into other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Hahahaha... You and I differ greatly in the way we look at parts. I look for what works on the cheap end(though I don't go cheap and unproven or unsafe) whereas you seem to want those name brand parts. Neither is the wrong way, just preference. If you would have seen my old fox, you would have shit yourself. Most everything was made by Matt and I, wired by mat, fabricated by one or both of us, painted with rattle cans by me, ect... Give me cheap and proven no name brand parts and I can put the savings into other things.No not really, haha. But it's all gravy.I have no issues with Matt building me a set. He's a busy guy though and he's old/forgetful. :bolt: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musturd Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 For some reason I don't like the stifflers system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schiffy Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 No not really, haha. But it's all gravy.I have no issues with Matt building me a set. He's a busy guy though and he's old/forgetful. :bolt:I didn't necessarily say let Matt build it. Just curious why you would go with MM or Hans or Stiffler over a $104 one piece with seat bracket kit? I'm wondering how significant the one with the extended piece to the pinch weld is, VS the one I'm getting stiffness wise, weight wise and price wise. Are you paying for a name, or are you paying for a far superior piece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
