MMR Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Sorry for making two threads.I know they are gold on older cars, especially carburated engines.But are they worth getting on our cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I have one and it's a great tool for diagnosing any issues that pop up. Really helps to see when you're loading up on fuel or if your car is going way too lean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Plus if you're doing your own tuning or working with a tuner on doing tunes for you, it will really help you nail in a tune if you know exactly what AFR you're running under different scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
330CubeGt Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Its a must for any tuning, end story. If the cars stock and you don't plan to change anything its nothing more then a light showHeads up and ass kickin! Using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 What type of wideband would you recommend?I have seen 3 different types:Digital display type:Digital gauge type:Mechanical gauge type: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Idea: Woudn't it be cool to integrate the "Digital Display type" into the dashboard clock? Like tew did with his scanner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 ^ do it then make a how too! =D it doesnt seem too hard as long as the screen will fit in that space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 ^ do it then make a how too! =D it doesnt seem too hard as long as the screen will fit in that space!Unfortunately, because of school I wont be able to work on my car for along time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 But this was the one I had in mind for it: http://www.jegs.com/i/NGK-Spark-Plugs/739/91101/10002/-1?parentProductId=1042147It looks like it could have the right size, and with alittle trimming and customizing it should fit nicely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3vst8r96gt Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I love the NGKStay away from the arm cause you can't open air calibrate them (unless it has changed)Manual gauge is cool but can you catalog with it? If you don't do ur own tuning it's not a huge deal but yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Ortiz is da man when it comes to tuning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnbyu Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Single most important gauge in the car if you are FI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.greg Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 In my opinion, they are only worth it if you have FI. Or maybe fully HCI NA build. If you are close to stock its not worth the money except it does look pretty darn cool and it will impress chicks and people may assume you are more modded than you are which has its pros and cons haha.I definitely like the idea of integrating it into the clock pod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 In my opinion, they are only worth it if you have FI. Or maybe fully HCI NA build. If you are close to stock its not worth the money except it does look pretty darn cool and it will impress chicks and people may assume you are more modded than you are which has its pros and cons haha.I definitely like the idea of integrating it into the clock pod.Yeah I am totally going to get laid with a wideband monitor...awwww yyyeeeaaarrrhhhhh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.greg Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Yeah I am totally going to get laid with a wideband monitor...awwww yyyeeeaaarrrhhhhh!! Hell yeah man! Any sort of blinking lights/moving gauges that catches their eye will work. Kinda like a moth being drawn to a bug zapper lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Yeah I am totally going to get laid with a wideband monitor...awwww yyyeeeaaarrrhhhhh!! make sure you tell them it goes with the music, chicks love that shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64bit_Tuning Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Stay away from the aem cause you can't open air calibrate them (unless it has changed)someone is ignorant to facts... The AEM doesnt require an open air calibration, and systems that make you do such, are substandard.You are aware that some modern cars are factory equipped with A/F sensors... right? Is the manufacturer doing us a disservice by not making us remove stock A/F sensors to calibrate them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto_x5.0 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 It definitely helps with tuning, I wouldn't buy a wideband of all you want is the lights, buy a $70 autometer narrowband one. But if you've messed with injectors, maf meter, full hci or you just want to pull to max power out of a combo it helps to be able to log and have data right thereJust my .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnbyu Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Innovate DB1. Just a number. No annoying lightshow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I cant decide which I want, obviously the extra lights can be a little much sometimes but I also feel like it would help to show you where about you are without needing to focus on the actual number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3vst8r96gt Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 someone is ignorant to facts... The AEM doesnt require an open air calibration, and systems that make you do such, are substandard.You are aware that some modern cars are factory equipped with A/F sensors... right? Is the manufacturer doing us a disservice by not making us remove stock A/F sensors to calibrate them?I'd prefer to be able to open air cal mine ...... Why would taking that feature away make something better.....If youre messing around enough to need a wide band ..... Open air cal is a plus to me ....I am well aware of cars coming with a/f sensors ..... Huge majority only being narrow bands and huge majority of cars/owners care,need, or benefit from that much calibration ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttocs Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I got mine from plx designs with a dm6 touchscreen digital display. You can select a few different ways to view it from graphical to numerical. Won't fit in the clock pod honestly you will have a fun time getting anything short of a very small display in there. I have had 2 different remote radar detectors in there but they were small 1-line displays.The other advantage of the dm-6 is you can connect other sensors to it as well and it will alarm when one reaches limits you set even while viewing a different sensor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 The PLX DM6 actually looks pretty cool.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Are there any wideband gauges that are calm and clean to look at and not something thats just screaming in your face, like these for instance: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64bit_Tuning Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I am well aware of cars coming with a/f sensors ..... Huge majority only being narrow bands and huge majority of cars/owners care,need, or benefit from that much calibration ......Wrong... again. There is a clear and distinct difference between an A/F sensor and an O2 sensor. Nissans, Toyotas, Subarus are among some of the manufacturers that use a 5v A/F sensor.Open air calibration isnt a "feature" its a fix for a bad design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Do you get the data from the sensor module to your computer? ..or how does it work exactly?Sorry if dumb question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01yellercobra Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Do you get the data from the sensor module to your computer? ..or how does it work exactly?Sorry if dumb question.I have a PLX wideband in my car. I connected a serial cable to the wideband control module and ran it through my glovebox. Whenever I datalog I plug it into the port on my Xcal2 and select the analogue input on Livelink. That gives me the A/F on my datalogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I have a PLX wideband in my car. I connected a serial cable to the wideband control module and ran it through my glovebox. Whenever I datalog I plug it into the port on my Xcal2 and select the analogue input on Livelink. That gives me the A/F on my datalogs.So you upload the data from the wideband control module to your tuner and upload the data from the tuner to your computer? wideband control module --> tuner --> Computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttocs Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I know plx had some GREAT prices on that combo right before x-mas if you do not need it today keep your eyes open. Like I said that one is nice because you can also hook up air/liquid temp modules, vac module, oil pressure, ect. I think if you wanted too it can be hooked up to 32 modules if you had that many if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01yellercobra Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 So you upload the data from the wideband control module to your tuner and upload the data from the tuner to your computer? wideband control module --> tuner --> Computer.There's no uploading. It Xcal2 is used as a pass through to connect the computer to the car. So I can watch it in real time or wait and look it over later.Misspelling brought to you by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I know plx had some GREAT prices on that combo right before x-mas if you do not need it today keep your eyes open. Like I said that one is nice because you can also hook up air/liquid temp modules, vac module, oil pressure, ect. I think if you wanted too it can be hooked up to 32 modules if you had that many if I remember correctly.Yeah the PLXs are awesome. I really like those. There's no uploading. It Xcal2 is used as a pass through to connect the computer to the car. So I can watch it in real time or wait and look it over later.Misspelling brought to you by TapatalkNot sure I understand. Where do you plug the wideband in then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01yellercobra Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 My PLX is ok. Every once in a while it "sticks". That's really unsettling when you're in it and the numbers aren't moving.Misspelling brought to you by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 What is the point of one of these?http://www.americanmuscle.com/autometer-airfuel.htmlIt doesn't tell you the ratio, so what is is good for then? ..just a light show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01yellercobra Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 ]Not sure I understand. Where do you plug the wideband in then? There's a port on the SCT hand held that you can plug external devices into. I have cable that runs from the wideband to the hand held. Then the hand held is plugged into the laptop. Using the Livelink software I'm then able to datalog whatever parameters I choose. Including A/F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMR Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Got it, thank you sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto_x5.0 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 What is the point of one of these?http://www.americanmuscle.com/autometer-airfuel.htmlIt doesn't tell you the ratio, so what is is good for then? ..just a light show?Rough idea, light show, panty dropper, whatever you want to say to spend $80 instead of $200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttocs Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 be aware that for some you will need to weld a bung on your exhaust to mount the sensor, some use the stock one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01yellercobra Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 be aware that for some you will need to weld a bung on your exhaust to mount the sensor, some use the stock one.All widebands require a seperate bung for the sensor. If it uses the stock sensor it's a narrow band and useless.Misspelling brought to you by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64bit_Tuning Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) All widebands require a seperate bung for the sensor. If it uses the stock sensor it's a narrow band and useless.Misinformation brought to you by TapatalkSome aftermarket WB systems have a narrow band output which allow you to delete one narrow band O2, and replace it with a wideband sensor.The M-300 Tuner Edition measures wideband air fuel ratio and comes with a Bosch LSU 4.2 wideband o2 sensor. It includes all the same features as the SM-AFR wideband controller (UEGO) with a built-in fuel select knob and 4 digit digital display. It's design for the tuner in mind and can be transported from vehicle to vehicle easily. The wideband controller (M-300TE) works with gasoline, biodiesel, ethanol, methanol, E85, LPG, and CNG. It includes two analog outputs (wideband 0-5V, and narrowband 0-1V) for interfacing with 3rd party devices and one digital serial output for interfacing with the DM-6 gauge and other Multi Gauges. The wideband analog output is ideal for interfacing with aftermarket ECU's and data loggers. The narrowband output is ideal for stock narrowband oxygen sensor replacement where the simulated narrowband analog output is fed back into your ECU to make it operate as if the stock narrowband oxygen sensor is still installed while running the PLX wideband setup. All three outputs can be used simultaneously. Additional features include advanced soft start technology which prolongs the oxygen sensor's life and an aluminum enclosure for durability and reliability. Edited January 16, 2013 by The Mk2 1st Amendment... I will not be censored! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) thread cleaned.back on topic please. Edited January 16, 2013 by iRoush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
