iRoush Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Figured I'd start this up because I have a big 'ol wing coming from Roush next week and I'm wondering what to do about the wing uprights and mounts. Ive been told with a high downforce adj. Wing that I have that the trunk will give in and bend or worse crack from the pressure.Lilroush, I know you have a functional wing, what did you do to reinforce the trunk, if anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushrod91 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Brace and support on the bottom of the trunk?Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Brace and support on the bottom of the trunk?Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2that's what I see corvette guys doing. running a brace on the underside of the trunk lid, making slots in the trunk for the wing uprights to go through be mounting the uprights directly to the support.only problem I see is the 99-04 mustangs have fiberglass trunk so welding a brace to the trunk lid itself is not possible... Edited March 14, 2013 by iRoush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 what kind of forces are we talking about here anyways Brett? Im not saying you wont see a lot of force on the trunk, but just curious how much downforce the wing will actually be creating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) what kind of forces are we talking about here anyways Brett? Im not saying you wont see a lot of force on the trunk, but just curious how much downforce the wing will actually be creating?basically I have 16 degrees of adjustment, I could technically see over 500+lbs of downforce on the trunk. but what most people do is if you can lay on the wing itself and the trunk holds up. it's good enough for the track. Edited March 14, 2013 by iRoush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 what if you did a brace across the underside of the deck lid, from quarter panel to quarter panel, and then braced it up from underneath?like by where the hinges are mounted to the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 what if you did a brace across the underside of the deck lid, from quarter panel to quarter panel, and then braced it up from underneath?like by where the hinges are mounted to the body.[ATTACH=CONFIG]2024[/ATTACH]if I did it near the hinges it'd seat the wing too far forward. I was think about a brace from quarter to quarter but further back. it's hard to say though until the wing gets here and I can see how it'll mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 if I did it near the hinges it'd seat the wing too far forward. I was think about a brace from quarter to quarter but further back. it's hard to say though until the wing gets here and I can see how it'll mount.yea, i guess i didnt mean that far forward, more back. but you get the idea. what about bigger uprights coming from the actual body and up, attached like right underneath where the license plate is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 yea, i guess i didnt mean that far forward, more back. but you get the idea. what about bigger uprights coming from the actual body and up, attached like right underneath where the license plate is.would require a lot more cutting than I'd like. I want to just be able to cut two slits in the trunk for the uprights to go through and then bolt it to a cross bar. that way if I drive the car on the street I can take off the wing and not look ricer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 wow, you really get enough downforce to bend the trunk lid? daayuum! never woulda thought that. ok...carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 wow, you really get enough downforce to bend the trunk lid? daayuum! never woulda thought that. ok...carry on think about it. average of about 300lbs of force on two small anchors in the trunk lid. something's going to bend or break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 new edges really have fiberglass trunk lids? never would have guessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 new edges really have fiberglass trunk lids? never would have guessed.yup learned real quick when I moved my spoiler back and the drill went through like it had no resistance lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 no metal there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revhead347 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 My aftermarket wing is really functional at creating a vacuum at the back of the car that sucks up all kinds of dirt. The back of my car is always filthy.Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 hmm no kidding, learned something new today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.greg Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Hmm had no idea the functional wings were under enough force to bend the rear deck, but I guess it makes sense. Cool thread, good read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilRoush Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) I don't have any extra bracing on mine, but I have the metal trunk lid. I can lay on it without much flex at all.One thing I'll say is get an extra trunk lid. Best thing I did so I can take ten minutes to swap and not worry about mounting/unmounting wings.Can I assume you are getting the Trak Pak wing? If so, you'll be looking at 600 lbs down force at speed if you tilt it right (or wrong if you want to see it that way). I would brace across the top of the trunk between the pillars to help spread the weight over the surface. You'll love that plane. It catches air perfectly and gives a lot of control with APR's adjustment points. Wish I had the money for that version. Mine is a similar wing, but with preset adjustment points instead of being able to fine tune it. Edited March 15, 2013 by LilRoush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 I don't have any extra bracing on mine, but I have the metal trunk lid. I can lay on it without much flex at all.One thing I'll say is get an extra trunk lid. Best thing I did so I can take ten minutes to swap and not worry about mounting/unmounting wings.Can I assume you are getting the Trak Pak wing? If so, you'll be looking at 600 lbs down force at speed if you tilt it right (or wrong if you want to see it that way). I would brace across the top of the trunk between the pillars to help spread the weight over the surface. You'll love that plane. It catches air perfectly and gives a lot of control with APR's adjustment points. Wish I had the money for that version. Mine is a similar wing, but with preset adjustment points instead of being able to fine tune it.I'm not worried too much about a second trunk, this is my racecar so it's gonna have a racecar wing on it 99% of the time haha.Not the TrackPak wing Like I said in the what did you buy thread, you're gonna be jealous when you see what I got lol. It's a much bigger plane and a lot more adjustability than any of the APR wings. I think honestly, with the wing adjusted at the max AOA I could probably see over 1000lbs of downforce. After this one is actually in my possession, I'll let you know where I got it, because this wing brand new is $3,000. they're offloading them now for $300-$600 depending on where you look.I'm wondering how much of a difference it'll make having the wing upright mounts wider than your style wing? Because I have a feeling the mounts are going to come to the outer edge of the trunk or possibly (and i kinda hope) lined up with the trunk to quarter gap so I can just weld the uprights in through the gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy95GT Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Not sure I missed this part, but at what kinda speeds do u need to be going to warrant such a radical wing? Just curiousJeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Not sure I missed this part, but at what kinda speeds do u need to be going to warrant such a radical wing? Just curiousJeremyDepends on how you set the wing up. A wing can be useful at low speeds if it has a High angle of attack. This is why you see such radical wings on all out autocross and time trial cars like this:At higher speeds it becomes a downforce vs. drag, finding the perfect balance between the two is what you'll want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy95GT Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Depends on how you set the wing up. A wing can be useful at low speeds if it has a High angle of attack. This is why you see such radical wings on all out autocross and time trial cars like this:At higher speeds it becomes a downforce vs. drag, finding the perfect balance between the two is what you'll want.Ahh makes sense.... Jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Tony Miatas are rwd. Regardless that wing looks ridiculous lolridiculous but effective. way I see it is its a racecar so it can get away with being ridiculous since it has a purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 ridiculous but effective. way I see it is its a racecar so it can get away with being ridiculous since it has a purpose+1, race car aero is on of my guilty pleasures. What would look ridiculous most of the time is pure sex to me when it's functional.Take time attack cars for example: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 holy shit, lol. and these are necessary? dam they're so big they look heavy. brett i forgot you had a miata haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 A high quality race wing (not the gay shit you see ricers running around with) is usually pretty lightweight. Carbon fiber is super light, and the uprights are aluminum. They add a bit of weight, but it's far outweighed in grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilRoush Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Just as an example, I think mine wing is 7 lbs...and it's not even a super high end wing. It's 'entry level' for an actual track wing. Brett I can't wait to see what you have coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Have you considered mounting the uprights to the quarter panels like the Subie I posted? Might not work with your wing but that's a solid place to mount it because you could add some tubular bracing underneath, inside the quarter panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Have you considered mounting the uprights to the quarter panels like the Subie I posted? Might not work with your wing but that's a solid place to mount it because you could add some tubular bracing underneath, inside the quarter panel.looking at the trunk if I remove the gas shocks I think I can mount the uprights there, I dunno, all speculation till it gets here lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) Ugh. You can stop teasing us now. I don't even get this anxious when I know I'm getting a bj.On the phone right now SO STOKEDEDIT: Okay, so after paying $75 for shipping I've got myself a carbon fiber wing, 2 carbon fiber flat end plates, 2 carbon fiber curved end plates, and a red Tegris front splitter. They told me it should be about a week before I see the parts which is a bummer, but, I got them!!!! Edited March 20, 2013 by iRoush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilRoush Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Sweeeeeet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Sweeeeeet.Matt would you be interested in ditching your APR wing if I sent you a link to these wings and splitters? They're putting the stuff on their website now and want to give you first dibs on this stuff. it's dirt cheap, $350-$450 for a wing and $40 for the front splitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildWillyWalker Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I've had an idea in my mind for quite some time on bracing a wing. What if you had two pieces of metal coming up from the trunk floor right to the under side of the trunk. So, when the trunk closed, the braces would literally be touching the trunk. Then drill holes through the trunk and through the brace and mount the wing on top. This would sandwich the trunk between the brace and the wing. I suppose you would need a metal trunk or the fiberglass might get crushed. ^.-Can anyone picture this? Does this sound retarded?By the way, I'm VERY excited to see pictures of these parts iRoush. I love "cuz race car" parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I've had an idea in my mind for quite some time on bracing a wing. What if you had two pieces of metal coming up from the trunk floor right to the under side of the trunk. So, when the trunk closed, the braces would literally be touching the trunk. Then drill holes through the trunk and through the brace and mount the wing on top. This would sandwich the trunk between the brace and the wing. I suppose you would need a metal trunk or the fiberglass might get crushed. ^.-Can anyone picture this? Does this sound retarded?By the way, I'm VERY excited to see pictures of these parts iRoush. I love "cuz race car" parts. That makes sense to me. And is also what I was picturing when I thought about it. Brett, when you get the wing, take your wing off and set the new wing on the trunk approximately where you want it. I wanna see where the legs of it come down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I've had an idea in my mind for quite some time on bracing a wing. What if you had two pieces of metal coming up from the trunk floor right to the under side of the trunk. So, when the trunk closed, the braces would literally be touching the trunk. Then drill holes through the trunk and through the brace and mount the wing on top. This would sandwich the trunk between the brace and the wing. I suppose you would need a metal trunk or the fiberglass might get crushed. ^.-Can anyone picture this? Does this sound retarded?By the way, I'm VERY excited to see pictures of these parts iRoush. I love "cuz race car" parts. I visualized a few things that I believe would work based off what you're saying. Made sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 For $40 a pop, shit... I'll buy a splitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I've had an idea in my mind for quite some time on bracing a wing. What if you had two pieces of metal coming up from the trunk floor right to the under side of the trunk. So, when the trunk closed, the braces would literally be touching the trunk. Then drill holes through the trunk and through the brace and mount the wing on top. This would sandwich the trunk between the brace and the wing. I suppose you would need a metal trunk or the fiberglass might get crushed. ^.-Can anyone picture this? Does this sound retarded?By the way, I'm VERY excited to see pictures of these parts iRoush. I love "cuz race car" parts. not a bad idea but I'd like to avoid attaching anything to the trunk itself. since its fiberglass I'm worried about its strength. I'll probably slot the trunk for wing uprights and make a jungle gym of metal in the trunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 That makes sense to me. And is also what I was picturing when I thought about it. Brett, when you get the wing, take your wing off and set the new wing on the trunk approximately where you want it. I wanna see where the legs of it come downthe mounting plates are 38 1/8" away from each other according to them, so I'm going to have to slot the trunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 the mounting plates are 38 1/8" away from each other according to them, so I'm going to have to slot the trunkAhhh okay. Well then slot em and so like you said, jungle gym supports in the trunk haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Stumbled across this, not a bad solution... Triangulating the trunk top to the lower edge would definitely add a lot of strength. Add some extra bracing under the trunk lid and I think this may get you the support you're looking for?Here's a through-the-trunklid style mounting idea you could go with too: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
