Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Vehicle 2008 ford edge 56k miles.Customer complaint no start.Theft light is flashing.Preliminary diagnosis shows no PCM communication. No power to the PCM.I know the answer. Take your guess ! list of codes. IC is the instrument cluster. Good luck. I'll let the discussion go till 9pm est. if anyone guess correctly ill powder coat something for you free of charge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Daddy Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 no start no cranklong crank no start .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted October 14, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Does it count if I've come across this problem before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 PATs system causing issues? Magnetic strips on some type of card on the keychain causing issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted October 14, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 PATs system causing issues? Magnetic strips on some type of card on the keychain causing issues?This was my issue. Had to get both keys and the PATS recoded at Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 no start no crank correct, the PATS has been ruled out. I programmed 2 keys. NO PATS codes in the IC. im looking for a specific answer to. since im leveraging a free powder job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 This was my issue. Had to get both keys and the PATS recoded at Ford.yea ive seen similar stuff here at our chevy garage. it was actually on a jag with a smart key, had a few magnetic things for the gym, and that was screwing with it. don't know how it was exactly fixed, but one of the techs was bs-ing with me about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 ill be completely honest and I can answer any questions. I have ALOT of diag into this haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted October 14, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 yea ive seen similar stuff here at our chevy garage. it was actually on a jag with a smart key, had a few magnetic things for the gym, and that was screwing with it. don't know how it was exactly fixed, but one of the techs was bs-ing with me about itCompletely random, but the Jag part made me think of it. My wife has an XF, which was the first car post-Ford. I started looking at some stuff in her car and was shocked to see just about every part still stamped FoMoCo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Completely random, but the Jag part made me think of it. My wife has an XF, which was the first car post-Ford. I started looking at some stuff in her car and was shocked to see just about every part still stamped FoMoCo.yea we popped the hood and everythhing under the hood had all of it there too... rediculous haha ok done with the highjacking now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted October 14, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Cluster failing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 cluster seems to be operating normally. performed self test on cluster and it passes the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted October 14, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 cluster seems to be operating normally. performed self test on cluster and it passes the test.Dammit that's the end of my limited knowledge. I thought PATS, steering column, or cluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 LOL there is a tsb for people accidentally switching the connectors for the PATS transceiver connector and the steering wheel angle sensor. not sure how any one does this but idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Daddy Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 If its alot of cluster issues yet its a no start no crank and its seeing the signal from the key(pats working) then I would say it would have to be a bus issue. Could be something simple as losing a reference voltage from the starter, of could have. Again, if one of the grounds is poor high corrosion could take that down and still have enough to turn on (lights dash work)but when it comes to cranking the high resistance will drop at the starter resulting in a no start. Im going with bad ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 check ground to IC, SJB and to the PCM. all grounds are good. battery terminals were a bit corroded so i cleaned them up for good measure. No difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttocs Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Electrical - start simple and check all fuses. ALL FUSES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 verified all fuses and relays are good. keep trying!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Automatic shut down relay? Posted via Topify using Android Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttocs Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 They changed the dash lights to leds or something stupid like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Dead battery Posted via Topify using Android Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 lol your all on the right track. Battery tested all ok. I dont think it has an ASD relay. however i tested the PCM power relay and the start/run relay and they were all ok. Im going to give a big hint around 8PM for the last hr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttocs Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 onstar is turned off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 lol we dont have that onstar crap! we have VHR. any way. here is the hint no power is present at the pcm. when performing a network test the PCM, ABS, and RCM( restraints control module(air bag lol) all fail the network test.... good luck. half an hr to go!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttocs Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 fusable link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 nope sorry no fuses or links were bad. all fuses are ok. PCM power relay are ok. no power to the PCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttocs Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 they had a remote start installed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Here is the answer. Kinda a trick question but as you can see the HS can wires were were shorted together. Hence why the ABS and RCM were not responding either.and the culprit.....squirrels lol. Some good guesses. This was buried under the air box. Took me a good bit to find the short! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-Oh Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Awww man I was just gonna guess that!! :shiftyeyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det_Riot Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 freaking squirrels! ruining all the fun!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Daddy Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Sit I said a network or bus was down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlanticblue98 Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Fuck. I was gonna say rodent chewed a wire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeperstang1994 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 lol you guys got close. if I have any more good ones I will do this again. had a good response. so for no good stuff today. just alignments and maintenance! I figure this would be a good way to promote [MENTION=10]WildWillyWalker[/MENTION] and my own business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Daddy Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 If you need facked up issues LMK 75+ cars in a day at this store and we have plenty ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
