iRoush Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 wouldnt a simple c clip eliminator resolve the problem?I asked that very same question of mr Hidley:c-clip eliminators are made from aluminum and house a bearing in them that is outside of the axle tube. The aluminum block that houses the bearing is bolted to the brake flange on the end of the axle. The bearing is smaller than the stock Ford bearing, so it has less ability to deal with cornering loads. The aluminum housing is much less stiff than the end of the housing tube. When cornering loads are applied, the aluminum housing flexes so much that it separates from the brake flange. This causes them to leak fluid. We've looked into this extensively, there isn't room to package a larger bearing with a housing that is stiff enough to be an improvement. In particular, the aluminum housing and bearing occupy the same space as the ABS exciter ring on an SN95 axle. This makes ABS an impossibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1997cobra Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 My axle plans have just changed. Good information there Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmfateam Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 All this talk about brakes is ramping up my brake timetable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 So basically, unless you're IRS or have a 9" rear axle big brakes with opposed pistons are useless and the only option we have is the single piston calipers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 All this talk about brakes is ramping up my brake timetable!my fronts are supposedly arriving today. I'm probably going to just run the Baer 13" disc upgrade in the rear with a proportioning valve to balance the massive fronts to the smaller rears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmfateam Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 good old baer, just got off the phone with them about the install of the 6s kit on our gt500. mman that kit is massive. and they are based here in arizona. great customer service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 just a quick note, no call back and no email back from Vintage Venom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01yellercobra Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 So basically, unless you're IRS or have a 9" rear axle big brakes with opposed pistons are useless and the only option we have is the single piston calipers.You can also swap 9" style ends onto the 8.8.Misspelling brought to you by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 just a quick note, no call back and no email back from Vintage Venom lmao called it.You can also swap 9" style ends onto the 8.8.Misspelling brought to you by Tapatalkthat's a pretty big pain just for some brakes but yes it's doable haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01yellercobra Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 that's a pretty big pain just for some brakes but yes it's doable haha.It's also positive axle retention should the axle break and no worries about leaking under hard cornering. Buuuuttt. ...... I don't race and have an IRS so what do I know?Misspelling brought to you by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 It's also positive axle retention should the axle break and no worries about leaking under hard cornering. Buuuuttt. ...... I don't race and have an IRS so what do I know?Misspelling brought to you by TapatalkIm gonna bite on this one and say nothing? :stirthepot: lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 It's also positive axle retention should the axle break and no worries about leaking under hard cornering. Buuuuttt. ...... I don't race and have an IRS so what do I know?Misspelling brought to you by TapatalkI'm not disagreeing with you at all Bob, it's a lot of work regardless but worth the work especially If you have the tools and ability to do it. unless I had Jason do it or pull the axle out and take it to a shop I wouldn't be able to do it.you know more than I do, that's why I went to jack Hidley for more info, because I didn't have the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted October 10, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 So I should keep my 9in rear end hanging around just in case I get the road racing bug and need much bigger brakes?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 So I should keep my 9in rear end hanging around just in case I get the road racing bug and need much bigger brakes??or feel free to send it to me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted October 10, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 or feel free to send it to me lolIt's currently in my 66 GT. I'm thinking of taking it out and putting the 8in back in though. I'm sure I'll put it in another project and shipping across country might be a bit of a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95riosnake Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) just a quick note, no call back and no email back from Vintage Venom I was on the edge of pulling the trigger on a set of 2007 GT500 Brembos with Baer Eradispeed 2 piece 14" rotors front and rear (came with relocation kit and GT500 rear calipers out back) on eBay (for $900 buy it now...a STEAL), but my better judgement told me to check and make sure I could still get the Vintage Venom kit... It took 2 weeks to hear back from them but finally a reply landed in my inbox:Hi Dan.We are getting pulled in several directions and are assessing what to do about the GT500 conversion kits. Unfortunately, none of the scenarios will lead to a conversion kit any time soon. Customers have been migrating to our F14 conversion package in the meantime which we do stock. We have been discounting the conversion by $300 for customers that already have the GT500 rotors if that helps.Thanks for the inquiry.Rob EatonVenom Technologies LLC(248) 341-3374The eBay auction came and went... glad I waited for the reply though or I'd be on my own trying to get them mounted properly. Ryan [MENTION=146]Prokiller[/MENTION] said he would let me borrow a bracket to fab my own, which is no problem but the rotor spacers would be a bit harder to source... This was about two weeks or so ago btw. Edited October 10, 2013 by 95riosnake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I was on the edge of pulling the trigger on a set of 2007 GT500 Brembos with Baer Eradispeed 2 piece rotors front and rear 14" on eBay (for $900 buy it now), but my better judgement told me to check and make sure I could still get the Vintage Venom kit... It took 2 weeks to hear back from them but finally a reply landed in my inbox:that was literally the EXACT same email I got lol. auto response ftl lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 It's currently in my 66 GT. I'm thinking of taking it out and putting the 8in back in though. I'm sure I'll put it in another project and shipping across country might be a bit of a bitch.lol I was just kidding, when the current 8.8 I have decides to shit itself I'll probably build another rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted October 10, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 lol I was just kidding, when the current 8.8 I have decides to shit itself I'll probably build another rear.Oh, I know. If I didn't think I would use it one day on another car (don't tell my wife), I'd totally figure out a way to get it to you. I only paid $150 for it out of a '69 Mach I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01yellercobra Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Im gonna bite on this one and say nothing? :stirthepot: lolI know just enough to get me in trouble. Or wonder halfway into a project why I'm not paying someone to do the work for me. I'm not disagreeing with you at all Bob, it's a lot of work regardless but worth the work especially If you have the tools and ability to do it. unless I had Jason do it or pull the axle out and take it to a shop I wouldn't be able to do it.you know more than I do, that's why I went to jack Hidley for more info, because I didn't have the answer.I was being a bit of a smart ass. I was looking at it from the racing stand point. I'd rather have the 9" style ends then C clips. For a 99% street car it is a lot of work and probably not needed. That's why I'm still running the stock brakes. With decent pads they stop me well enough not to get killed on the street.Misspelling brought to you by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95opal Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 lmao called it.that's a pretty big pain just for some brakes but yes it's doable haha.now thats the time to shorten and mini-tub that bitch :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 :brett: to everything in this thread lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmfateam Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 :brett: to everything in this thread lmaoEgg salad. At first I was like, woohoo 14 inch rotors and 4 piston calipers. Then I started adding up race rotors/pads, 18 rims and tires and the time to fabricate the SN95 to Brembo front caliper adapter. I just came to the conclusion my next three and a half paychecks aren't mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mavisky Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Couldn't you just fab some brackets for a set of the PBR calipers on the back axle? I mean it's not like you need 16" 8 piston calipers back there anyways and they'd allow you to run a 12-13" rotor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Couldn't you just fab some brackets for a set of the PBR calipers on the back axle? I mean it's not like you need 16" 8 piston calipers back there anyways and they'd allow you to run a 12-13" rotor.you could and it's something I've thought about since I'm pulling the pbrs off the front... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Speaking of brakes, this is a steal for a beastly brake kit:http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROUSH-Ford-Mustang-GT-Front-Brake-Kit-High-Performance-1999-2004-4-Piston-14-IN-/331041096786?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4d13964452&vxp=mtr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted October 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 those would be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearGambler Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 You can also swap 9" style ends onto the 8.8.Misspelling brought to you by Tapatalkthis was the first thing that came to mind. its a common swap that only requires new axlels, housing ends and someone that has a good jig to keep everything centered on the tube. i have a friend that has done multiple 9 inch end 8.8s with great success. sucks you are in CA though. would be a trip to get you into his shop here in PA. Thats the route I would go with though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1997cobra Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 [MENTION=275]Blackmage[/MENTION] I'll be digging my god speeds out tonight. Time has not been on my side lately Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted October 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 @Blackmage I'll be digging my god speeds out tonight. Time has not been on my side lately Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 4DUDE! CMON!!!! haha no worries man. Just curious, do you have a set of gt500 calipers? Im thinking of measuring the bolt hole locations and random other things to see if they are the same or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1997cobra Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 I do not have gt500 Calipers... Yet :evillaughter Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted October 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 I do not have gt500 Calipers... Yet :evillaughter Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 4Should i take note that these ARE probably the same then? haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1997cobra Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Not that I know of.. I'd like to have 6 piston fronts though Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted October 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Not that I know of.. I'd like to have 6 piston fronts though Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 4why stop at six.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 keep in mind gents, you need to keep the brake bias appropriate. 6-pistons up front and a single out back is asking for trouble. upgrading to 9" ends or IRS are a mist for the bigger brakes out back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1997cobra Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Haha $ is whyAll that and a properly sized master Cylinder Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRoush Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Haha $ is whyAll that and a properly sized master Cylinder Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 4ain't gotta worry about that with hydro boost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1997cobra Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 As long as it isn't too small haha Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01yellercobra Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 this was the first thing that came to mind. its a common swap that only requires new axlels, housing ends and someone that has a good jig to keep everything centered on the tube. i have a friend that has done multiple 9 inch end 8.8s with great success. sucks you are in CA though. would be a trip to get you into his shop here in PA. Thats the route I would go with though!I was just bringing up the idea. I have an IRS so my axle ends are good. Misspelling brought to you by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage Posted October 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Im not looking for anything over 4, so im hoping the rear should be fine for now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
