Supporting Member fiveohwblow Posted February 3, 2014 Supporting Member Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Lol ok so what if the engine is great?What do you recommend I do to it?It will be for the street but I will also have fun with it burnout and things like that I suggest to follow what everyone else is saying here. Good centrifugal blower aka a p1sc or si trim vortech and of course supporting mods also mentioned here and enjoy. Fuck that. Rent the tool from auto zone and do it yourself. Good learning experience lolSent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk I completely agree I just dont assume people want to do this on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Oh ok But would I have to worry about the engine wearing out or breaking with the blower?Or are the Mustang engines strong for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member fiveohwblow Posted February 3, 2014 Supporting Member Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Oh ok But would I have to worry about the engine wearing out or breaking with the blower?Or are the Mustang engines strong for it?In my experience this is a multifaceted question. Simple answer is yes they are somewhat strong. Long answer is it depends on combo, TUNE TUNE TUNE TUNE TUNE, did I mention tune? Lastly there is always added stress when you are forcing your air pump of an engine to alter atmosphere but bottom line you have to ask yourself if the thrill is worth the risk. Most of us say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Oh ok About how much rwhp would I be looking at with a blower?350?With afr heads and the trick flow intake I mentioned earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member fiveohwblow Posted February 3, 2014 Supporting Member Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Oh ok About how much rwhp would I be looking at with a blower?350?I wouldnt shoot for that much as the stock heads, intake and cam dont breathe too well. It can be done, but I would shoot for 7-8 psi on an SI trim vortech and assume you will be around 310-320 rwhp and very streetable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Oh ok I guess my thing is I dont know what its like to have 320, 350, or 450 rwhp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member fiveohwblow Posted February 3, 2014 Supporting Member Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Oh ok I guess my thing is I dont know what its like to have 320, 350, or 450 rwhp Oh ok I guess my thing is I dont know what its like to have 320, 350, or 450 rwhpPrecisely why I would start small. Dont try and go all out now, just do something simple and proven and gain experience then go up from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted February 3, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Precisely why I would start small. Dont try and go all out now, just do something simple and proven and gain experience then go up from there. Unlike what I am doing (stock to 6-700hp). I'm going to have to relearn how to drive lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Lol whats it like going out big?When you accelerate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted February 3, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Lol whats it like going out big?When you accelerate Couldn't tell you. The car is still a shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Oh ok...What all are you puttinf on it? Because thats a lot of horses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Psychorugby Posted February 3, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Oh ok...What all are you puttinf on it? Because thats a lot of horses 408 stroker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 400-450+ whp in our cars is going to feel like quite a bit to someone not used to driving something fast. Our cars chassis aren't as refined as the newer stuff that's built to handle a lot more power from the factory. I'd say once you get 500-550whp+ the car is going to be a real handful. Unfortunately whatever power level you have you'll eventually get used to it and want even more. I'm just guessing though, I don't think my car is even at 400whp yet but with the torque of the Kenne Bell the power is plenty in the lower gears to blow off the tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 NiceDo you or anyone have a video of their car showing out how powerful they are?And that sounds like fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 My engine is basically stock for nowI was going to get my cars engine checked out with a compression test ans what not,If it's still healthy I was thinking of putting a e303 cam with hopefully O/R h pipe and a Mac catback exhaust. I want the e303 cam because I love the way it sounds and so I can just enjoy it for now until later on in a year hopefully rebuild the whole engine and get another transmissionAnyone have that cam on a stock engine?And what did you notice was the difference after putting it on?And can anyone give me advice on what to do to make the top of the engine look better, or what paint to use to make it match I hate how the intake is dark blue, the cap of the distributor is light blue and the msd ignition coil is red :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom351R Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 wire management and simple green to make the engine look better, powder coating parts also helps. The E303 cam is a pretty old cam design thats been around for a long time. There are better cams out there that will give you more bang for your buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 The e303 cam arguably is outdated and the are many better cam profiles out there for your car. What do you think the e stands for (emissions) so if emissions are not an issue for you i would go with the trick flow stage 1 or comp XE264 both are good cams that will allow you to grow into bigger heads and intakes. And I've always practiced when upgrading cams especially with stock valve springs to replace the valve springs with ones with a seat and open pressure close to what the cam manufacture specifics. This also will help prevent valve float coil bind and breakage and many other bad things lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 forgot to mention the anderson n-41 and n-61 cams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 It's an old cam but people seem to make pretty good power with it. I'd say to wait on the cam until you do heads and intake since otherwise it's going to be a lot of time/money for little/no power gain. If you do want to do the cam now i'd suggest stronger valve springs to match and probably a tune as well or it may not run great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Ok thanks OnyxCobraI just want that old school muscle car iddle sound Just something to enjoy the sound of The n-41 sounds almost the same as the e303, I couldn't find the sound of the n-61 thoughWhats the difference between the e, b, n its like they have a cam with the alphabet lolThe guy that will rebuild my engine suggested the trick flow stage 3 but I know that's too much for now since its stockSome more hp will be nice if it came with the old muscle car soundAnd does tunning it really help? Lets say I get idk the trick flow stage 1 camAnd the stronger valve springsO/R h pipeMac catback exhaust 2.5I have shorty headers4.10 gearsCAIMsd igntion coil ( I dont know if it matters)And I got it tuned would all those things help a good amountJust guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom351R Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 So are you doing a cam just for the sound or are you doing it for a power upgrade to go along w/ future mods? Tuning always helps over what there is for a stock tune but all depends on who does it and what you have done to the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 With stock heads and intake with a tune you are looking at 15-20 hp. And a tune is a must with are cars because are computer programs cause a bad chasing/dieing problem with cams based on how the computer monitors incoming air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearGambler Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 You have to remember that the cam is ideally the last piece in the puzzle. and by puzzle i mean application. it will tie in everything; gears, transmission, intake, heads, ignition, even tire size. It will also take into account the purpose of the car - weekend warrior, street strip, daily driver / only vehicle. With that being said, everyone already mentioned that the E303 is dated. It is. Technology has come a long way since that profile has been popular. You can get a cam for around the same price that will work with the SN95 computer and doesn't need a tuning device to regain drivability. From your post I'm thinking that you just want that lopey muscle car sound. I suggest you start with exhaust, and add some 1.72 rockers to the heads. The rockers will free up a few ponies and the additional lift will help with performance a bit. Its a pretty easy upgrade. The exhaust will also help with the sound. now when it comes to what exhaust to choose - have fun with that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom351R Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Thats where I was going with it. If your just doing it for sound then you can get what you want with just the right exhaust system set up. If your doing a cam just for sound while leaving the heads / intake stock then your taking a step back b/c if you ever upgrade those then you will either have to base the parts you choose off from the E303 or change the cam again and buying a cam twice. Buying any part twice sucks ask me how I know. Decide what direction you want to go with the car and pick parts that best suit that. Granted everyone makes changes on projects or directions they take but its better off to have an overall idea of what you want then to just start buying parts w/ no goal set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95opal Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 E-CAM OF FURY ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I've heard several times that doing a cam in an otherwise stock engine can actually cost you power, especially the low end torque we all love. And even if the cam is computer compatible it doesn't always mean you can just throw it in without a tune and call it a day, my car went through days were sometimes it would run perfectly and other times it acted like a brat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Thats true thank you for the adviceAndDo you know much about the Mac cat back exhaust?Do you have a bad review on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 My advice on exhaust go with anything stainless magnaflow slp borla are all good brands but stainless willast you an eternity if cared for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom351R Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Mac's are chambered mufflers and will drone, same w/ flowmasters. Magnaflow, Borla, SLP are not chambered and are stainless steel as noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 How can you describe the other ones since they are not chambered?I have listened to videos on YouTube but its not the same as in person :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 My opinion is that the non chambered mufflers or straight through style have a more crisp sound than a chambered and don't have as much drone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 It's really hard to describe the different sounds mufflers make especially when volume and description varies so much between different people. if you can't hear the exhaust in person the online clips are the best way to get a good idea of what it will sound like. If you have more specific questions about a specific muffler some of us may be able to give you a better idea on it's sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prokiller Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 just get some flowmaster 40s and an o/r h-pipe and call it done. muscle car sound for a fraction of the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeahloh95 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 i say a nice set of long tubes and some magnaflow muffers and you will be very happy leave the cam be until you do heads and intake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank830 Posted February 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Oh ok what would you say is the difference between the Mac exhaust and the magnaflow magnapack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihaterice Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 My opinion is that the non chambered mufflers or straight through style have a more crisp sound than a chambered and don't have as much drone.Hey, I have the MAC SS on my Mach1 and there is absolutly no drone! Had Flowmaster and it droned really bad. Now the MAC does have issues with fit on the install as I had to have a mufler shop does some work to make it fit well. Now I like the chambered exhaust sound so that is why I picked MAC. But the Mag Flow sound is good also and the fit is good.I just like that chambered exhaust sound esp on a 4 valve motor. I have no drone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 The mac flowpaths are problaby the best flowing chambered mufflers made witch prolly helps reduce drone. I don't personally know about there stainless system but I have heard of pore quality and fit from many people on the normal mac systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihaterice Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 The mac flowpaths are problaby the best flowing chambered mufflers made witch prolly helps reduce drone. I don't personally know about there stainless system but I have heard of pore quality and fit from many people on the normal mac systems.Yup, the fit was very crappy. Spent $200.00 at the mufler shop to get it right. But it is 409 SS and it does look good on the car now. Sound is exactly what I like. Next will be a MRT cated H to go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxCobra Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 on a 5.0 expect pretty much every exhaust to drone unless you're running the stock H pipe. or unless you buy a pretty quiet catback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildWillyWalker Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Again, I feel you want the sound and I can understand. I do miss the sound of my Fox and it basically had the Trickflow top end. All the guys on the Fox Body Forum guided me away from any alphabet cams and I settled on the TFS Stage 1 which sounded good, but I admit the E-303 sounds fantastic. As far as making your engine bay look better, a wire tuck is a must. Check out my Fox Body build as it may lend you some ideas. It wasn't perfect but it was a rushed/budgeted-ish build. http://www.pennmustangs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16256 Here are some examples of the Trickflow cam lope. I had SLP LM1's and I loved them. Sure it got rid of the Mustang tone but it was pretty darn loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
